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ToolGuyd > Power Tools > Saws > Festool Teases New SawStop-Equipped Table Saw

Festool Teases New SawStop-Equipped Table Saw

Jan 8, 2019 Stuart 46 Comments

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Festool SawStop Table Saw Tech Demo

SawStop, the leader in table saw flesh-detection technology, makes a jobsite table saw, contractor table saw, and cabinet table saws. SawStop was acquired by Festool in mid-2017. (Technically, they were acquired by Festool’s parent company, TTS Tooltechnic Systems.)

Over at Coptool today, they posted an interesting sneak peek they caught via a Festool video.

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A screen-grab from the video, above, says 1000 words. But in case you want the full video, here it is:

A few years ago, there was a report that SawStop was developing a $400 table saw equipped with their flesh detection and brake technologies. However, that has not yet materialized.

If what is shown above is a SawStop-equipped Festool table saw that’s nearly ready to be announced in the [European] market, I can all but guarantee that it won’t be anywhere near $400 USD. Festool makes some great tools, but that quality doesn’t come cheap.

It should not come as a surprise that Festool developed a table saw featuring SawStop tech. After all, when the acquisition was announced, it was very clear that Festool would be utilizing SawStop’s active injury mitigation technology.

Using Google Translate, the video description says:

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Our trainers are currently preparing for the Construction Fair so that they can answer any questions about the innovative SawStop technology. Experience the machine live at the construction fair from 4 to 8 February.

Festool SawStop Table Saw

Oh, there are so many questions, the first two being: 1) will it be available in the USA?, and 2) how much will it cost?

So… we’re finally seeing a Festool table saw with SawStop tech. Thoughts?

Kudos to Coptool for breaking the story!

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46 Comments

  1. Chris

    Jan 8, 2019

    With free lifetime replacement blades!!!!

    Reply
  2. John

    Jan 8, 2019

    Sawstop was NOT acquired by Festool! Sawstop was bought by TTS Tooltechnic Systems AG & Co. KG which also happens to own many other companies, Festool being one of them.

    Why does this nonsense get repeated over and over again.

    Reply
    • Stuart

      Jan 8, 2019

      Most tool users know Festool but not TTS, and Festool is the only obvious brand that would be enhanced by the acquisition, and so I let myself be lazy about the distinction. I’ll add clarification soon, but the posts about the actual acquisiton have full details.

      Reply
    • Jim Felt

      Jan 8, 2019

      John.
      I’m curious why you feel so strongly about the holding company being acknowledged as the SawStop acquirer?
      I’m pretty sure almost no one in NA knows their name or much cares.
      Should we for some good and interesting reason?
      No. Really. I’m (we’re?) curious.
      Thanks.

      Reply
      • EJ

        Jan 8, 2019

        My guess is he is just fed up with some certain user groups.

        Reply
      • Chris

        Jan 9, 2019

        I’m in the us and everybody I talk to recognizes TTS. It’s ok if you are uninformed but don’t speak on behalf of orders please

        Reply
        • T Hawk

          Jun 7, 2022

          I’m in the USA and heavily into manufacturing too, and hardly ever heard of them.

          Reply
        • Chris

          Oct 16, 2022

          Yeah sure buddy. You’re just one of those guys that says stuff like that. “Everybody I know and talk to know ‘x, y and z'”..

          Don’t be like this guy.

          Reply
    • Jon

      Jan 9, 2019

      You do realize they say that in the article…

      Reply
      • Stuart

        Jan 9, 2019

        I added the parenthetical clarification afterwards.

        Reply
    • Billy

      Jul 18, 2019

      This is just business organization technicalities. TTS only exists because of Festool and are all still owned by the founding family. TTS is Festool.

      Reply
    • Jon

      Nov 7, 2019

      Because functionally it’s the same damn thing: the fact that the companies are organised in some specific way for business purposes is irrelevant.

      As far as the end user/customer is concerned, the company that makes Festool saws now owns Sawstop and will be using the technology in Festool saws.

      Why should I care about the way they structure their business? As far as I’m concerned TTS/Festool/Sawstop are one company selling me one saw.

      I don’t see anyone saying “No, McDonalds aren’t opening a store in Seattle, technically it’s the Seattle McFastFood franchise”… because nobody cares, it doesn’t matter.

      Reply
  3. Bolt

    Jan 8, 2019

    That’s one goofy looking saw though.

    Reply
    • Arif

      Jan 8, 2019

      That is the setup for the never sold in the USA CMS system. It allows outfeeds, infeeds all sorts of crazy cool fences and equipment! It’s nuts!
      Woohoo!!

      Reply
  4. NoDeuces

    Jan 8, 2019

    This makes my hotdog go oak.

    Reply
    • Jim D

      Jan 9, 2019

      Yup… This ^ is already the best comment of 2019!

      Reply
    • Karl

      Jan 9, 2019

      Better yet:
      “That new Festool table saw makes me get wood!”

      Reply
  5. Josh

    Jan 8, 2019

    Wonder if it will be available in north America though. That table saw (minus the saw stop tech) has never been available here.

    Reply
  6. Conanthecarpenter

    Jan 8, 2019

    Yes, the lion’s share of Festool’s manufacturing is out of Germany; however, most SawStop saws and accessories are out of Taiwan. This would aid in a lower (by no means cheap, though) price point. I would guess we will see a variety of accessories (extended table, fence, attachable router table, outfeed support, etc.) right along side the launch. I’d give it another two years to hit the US market.

    Reply
  7. Jim Felt

    Jan 8, 2019

    I always think of Alexa as the forerunner of SkyNet. And John Connor. And Arnie. And then Boston Robotics.
    Sorry.

    Reply
    • Jim Felt

      Jan 8, 2019

      Oops. Boston “Dynamics”…

      Marketing!

      Reply
    • Paul

      Oct 19, 2020

      Amazon is SKYNET! LOL

      Reply
  8. MT_Noob

    Jan 8, 2019

    Another recent announcement by Festool/TTS (po-tay-toe, po-taw-toe) is that they acquired Shaper Origin. It will be interesting to see what that might yield down the road. I know the Shaper Origin might not be everyone’s cup of tea, however for those of us that jumped in and got one, it is nice to see a larger entity backing them up.

    Reply
    • John S

      Jan 9, 2019

      Wow I didn’t know that, thats pretty big news. But I guess it isn’t that strange seeing as how closely Shaper has been working with Festool even incorporating their spindles and tech in their Origin CNC:

      https://www.shapertools.com/blog/posts/july-2017-update

      I had to look for the press release of that acquisition:

      https://www.festoolusa.com/company/news/shaper-acquisition

      Reply
  9. Matt F

    Jan 8, 2019

    It is going to need some anti kick back pawls to come to the states. Is this an update on an existing saw? It looks different than their table saw with the crosscut pull function.

    Reply
    • Arif

      Jan 8, 2019

      Although still roughly based on the CMS table it isn’t going to be powered by a flipped tracksaw that iis nserted as the CMS was. The CMS allowed multiple tool drop ins like router etc. If it was still modular and could actually use one table and swap out saw like CMS…that would be awesome!

      Reply
  10. Doug

    Jan 8, 2019

    That table saw design looks completely bizarre to me, as do other European table and miter saws I’ve seen. For example, why are there fence mounts on all four sides of the saw? And why such a narrow cutting surface?

    Any table saw which can’t rip a sheet of plywood in half is completely useless to me. I realize they don’t use 4×8 sheets across he pond, but don’t they use the metric equivalent of 5×5, like the imported baltic birch one can find in the US? In that case one would need at least a 30” ripping capacity.

    Reply
    • Nathan S

      Jan 9, 2019

      I would presume that since their portfolio includes pretty good track saws that can easily do the plywood ripping function, they might feel that the table saw is more useful for ripping dimensional lumber, as shown in the video.

      Reply
    • SteveW

      Jan 9, 2019

      Nathan S is right, track saws are where it’s at for breaking down sheet goods, full stop. A full sheet of plywood on a table saw is dangerous, inaccurate, slower, and requires at least 128 square feet of space. If you’ve never tried one you owe it to yourself to give it a chance. My next move is to keep my old Sears radial arm saw, get rid of my table saw, and get a cordless track saw. That bit of kit and my mitre saw will fill all my needs for now.

      Reply
  11. ktash

    Jan 8, 2019

    Waiting patiently for the $400 saw.
    Hell is starting to freeze over, I see.

    Reply
  12. ca

    Jan 8, 2019

    I’m pleased that I need not buy it.

    Reply
  13. Dave

    Jan 9, 2019

    I ask about the $400 table saw and why they misled everyone at the power tool safety committee meeting, every time I see one of their social media posts

    Reply
  14. ToolJunkie

    Jan 9, 2019

    A $400 core saw?

    Yea, well if an MFT costs over $600 with a particle board top, a circular saw costs over $500 & a miter saw over $1500, then don’t hold your breath.

    I’d venture to say it’s a pipe dream. You’d be better off buying the Saw Stop job site saw, unless they up the price on that, too.

    Reply
  15. Bolt

    Jan 9, 2019

    Chris Schwartz did have a great observation on Instagram about this: Of course the Germans put a hotdog in a dado for a sawstop demonstration.

    Reply
    • SteveW

      Jan 9, 2019

      That went over my head, why is the connection of Germans, hotdogs, and dadoes a great observation?

      Reply
      • TT

        Mar 11, 2019

        I think the idea is that the germans are so precise, they can’t just leave the hotdog on the board, they have to make a dado for it to hold it precisely

        Reply
  16. Jon

    Jan 9, 2019

    I love my Kpex and other festool tools but a rebranded SawStop is not of interest. Honestly the crap saw stop was pulling with trying to standardize their technology and create lawsuits against other table saws so they could charge a premium for their patent. Not only that but Bosh came out with a better idea that doesn’t cost an arm and a finger 😉 to replace the parts (way more than 10% different) and they some how win a lawsuit. So no, if it’s saw stop or rebranded, I won’t buy that junk. I hope festool didn’t over pay those jerks.

    Reply
    • Jon

      Jan 9, 2019

      Sorry TTS for those it matters to

      Reply
    • James

      Jan 9, 2019

      I’m not sure you understand how “Intellectual Property” works.

      Or how much it costs to reattach a finger.

      Reply
      • Jon

        Jan 10, 2019

        Intellectual property is only protected untimely by patents. Under the doctrine of equivalents Bosch was easily clear of any infringement.
        Their system is better and thus if Saw Stop cared how much it cost to reattach a finger they would have said yay for capitalism! But instead they trolled social media for lawsuits to try and standardize their idea which would force all major table saw companies to pay royalties for their idea. As we see today it didn’t work and when competition showed up within it’s legal rights, somehow ($$$), they won the case.
        I get it, what I don’t get is why anybody would stop another company from helping improve the safety of tools and employees. But I get that too, greed.

        Reply
  17. Nathan

    Jan 10, 2019

    I don’t know that the bosch system was better pre se I think it had a few issues too.

    But I liked that they came out with something. I’d like some of the other companies to do the same and I’d like to see that applied to thinks like recip saws and maybe while difficult – hand held circular saws.

    Anyway festool having one doesn’t surprise me – it costing a small fortune also doesn’t surprise me. Seeing them put it into something else would be a big deal.

    Reply
  18. Conanthecarpenter

    Jan 10, 2019

    Looks like the comparable Festool CS50 sells for between 1550-1860 pounds (how that may change with other currencies, I do not know). I’m guessing the $400 saw that was in-the-works a while back is still, in fact, in-the-works but might still be a good couple years out. I’d further guess that the $400 will be a basic contractor/jobsite-style saw in the line of the DeWalt DWE7480. A great, no-frills saw.

    Reply
  19. Sam

    Jan 24, 2019

    As an engineer and woodwork, I never understood the negative views from “haters ” of Sawstop/Mr. Gass…every nock on his tech and negative views seemed to come from individuals with child like reasoning and maturity levels…it’s truly wild to think, here we are in the 21 century and someone is attacked and vilified because he built the better mouse trap and, in a capitalistic society, he dares to make money and try to force and industry to modernize. There are hundreds of Ozario type cases working their way through the courts and virtually all have ruled against the manufacturers. In the end, logically, the courts are forced to rule that since the tech exists to eliminate serious injury, manufacturers are liable.
    Now with Festool and Bosh incorporating flesh detection tech, the writing is on the wall for all the rest…include the tech or get penalized.

    Reply
    • Adam

      Dec 23, 2021

      We don’t all drive Volvos’s Mercedes or BMW cars because there safer in an accident, like we don’t all buy sawstop technology because we might have an accident on a table saw.

      Reply
  20. Adam

    Dec 23, 2021

    I live in England, I like Festool but I would never buy there table saw, I don’t like the design and it’s way too expensive, and in America there’s so many other table saws on the market better designed and cheaper , and that sawstop technology, well I’ve never had an accident on a table saw, I know I could have an accident, but it’s a bit like buying the safest and most expensive car because you might have an accident.

    Reply
    • Antti

      Dec 23, 2021

      I bet you don’t use also seatbelts in your car?

      I will take all the safety equipment as fast as I can. As an orthopaedic surgeon, i have seen way too many lost fingers. It hapens almost only for experienced builders, professionals that for some reason got a bit cereless.

      Reply

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