Metabo has teased that they will soon be coming out with a new 18V 10.Ah cordless power tool battery pack.
The new Metabo 18V 10Ah battery looks to be the same size and shape as their 5.5Ah and 8.0Ah battery packs, and also seems to be the highest capacity 10-cell Li-ion battery currently on the market.
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At the time of this posting, Metabo has a compact 5-cell 4Ah battery and 10-cell batteries in 5.5Ah and 8.0Ah sizing.
Other brands also have 10-cell 8.0Ah batteries, but higher capacity usually requires a step-up to 15-cell battery sizing, which means bigger size and greater weight.
The greater energy density of Metabo’s new 10Ah cordless power tool battery implies the introduction of higher power 5.0Ah battery cells, which could pave the way for compact 5.0Ah batteries. Other brands might also be working on 10-cell 10Ah batteries or even 15-cell 15Ah batteries.
Price-wise, here are Metabo UK’s catalog prices, excluding VAT:
- 4.0Ah: £88.32 (£100 w/ VAT)
- 5.5Ah: £116.66 (£140 w/ VAT)
- 8.0Ah: £182.50 (£219 w/ VAT)
- 10.0Ah: £224.18 (£269 w/ VAT)
Excluding the 4Ah battery since it’s a 5-cell compact form factor, here is a breakdown of per-amp-hour pricing:
- 5.5Ah: £21.21/amp-hour
- 8.0Ah: £22.81/amp-hour
- 10.0Ah: £22.42/amp-hour
That’s actually very good, that the cost per amp-hour is comparable with that of the 8Ah battery pack and only slightly higher than for the 5.5Ah battery.
What this means is that Metabo’s latest 18V LiHD battery doesn’t seem to carry a disproportionate premium compared to their current Li-ion batteries.
The new battery will fit all of Metabo’s tools and chargers, and that of their CAS (Cordless Alliance System) partners.
Metabo says that their new 18V 10Ah battery is the most powerful 2-row battery pack in the world.
This seems to be true – I don’t know of any matching or higher capacity 10-cell battery at this time.
But, if Metabo has access to 5.0Ah next-gen Li-ion battery cells, how long will it be before other cordless power tool brands will have access to those same cells?
At this time, the new battery has only been introduced by Metabo UK; there is not yet any news about if or when Metabo USA will be launching it here as well.
(Thank you to Big Richard for the tip!)
Chris
Brushless Hercules angle grinder available on harbor freight website!
Big Richard
DeWalt is likely using the same cells for their DCB210, but they wouldn’t confirm it for me, yet….
Most powerful in regards to Watt hours, sure. I’m still not so sure about its peak Watt output. Makita’s new 10 cell XGT 40v 4.0Ah claims 1,510 peak Watts, that’s 42 Amps per 4000mAh cell. Don’t all currently available 5000mAh cells top out at around 10, maybe 15, Amps continuous discharge? assuming maybe 20 Amps as peak discharge, that would give this pack only 720 Watts?
Doug N
Yes, I believe the Samsung 50G is the highest output 5.0 Ah cell. Rated at 10 amp continuous and a 15 amp peak. Compared to 35 and 45 amps for the 40T cell. Unless there is some new cell that Metabo and Dewalt aren’t sharing…
Big Richard
Agreed, that’s what I’m saying, or they will just not be the best batteries for high demand tools?
I find the latter hard to believe since everything is going towards higher current output (M18 HO, Bosch CORE, DeWalt Power Detect, etc.) Also, DeWalt plans to pair their 10Ah batteries with their new 2x20v 21.5″ mowers, and a mower is a pretty high demand tool. Who knows.
Tim
Their current 2x20V mower or a new version of it?? Also how do you know Dewalt has 10ah batteries?
Steve
I’m not sure which model mower, information did leak on a Dewalt mower paired with 2x10Ah batteries coming out soon. That’s why everyone is assuming Dewalt has a 10Ah battery on the way.
Tim
Steve, don’t know why I cannot reply to your comment. Anyways, could you post a link to the leak? I tried the google machine but couldn’t find anything.
Doug N
See a post by @toolboss44 on Instagram on August 22 for the Dewalt mower.
Big Richard
Tim,
They have two new mowers coming out, a push and a self propelled model. Both are to be paired with 2 10Ah DCB210 batteries:
Push – DCMWP233U2 $499, future Home Depot SKU 1005653815
Self Propelled – DCMWSP244U2 $599, future Home Depot SKU 1005658471
I thought they were supposed to be announced late summer, but perhaps covid or other supply issues has pushed that back. That’s all the information my source would give me.
Big Richard
Tim, they’re up on HD now again.
DCMWP233U2 -https://www.homedepot.com/p/DEWALT-21-5-in-20-Volt-MAX-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Battery-Walk-Behind-Push-Mower-DCMWP233U2/314269627?NCNI-5
DCMWSP244U2 – https://www.homedepot.com/p/DEWALT-21-5-in-20-Volt-MAX-Lithium-Ion-Cordless-Battery-Walk-Behind-Self-Propelled-Mower-DCMWSP244U2/314297685?NCNI-5
Big Richard
I believe DeWalt is also coming out with a 5Ah 12v battery, and I assume it will also be using the same 5000mAh cells (unless it is 2p 6 cell pack with 2500mAh cells). At the moment, I think Hilti is the only major brand to use 21700 cells in their 12v.
Nathan
There is something to be said for endurance over current peak output. If oyu have a tool that doesn’t draw that much – so peak doesn’t help. but is useful like say an impact driver or drill or even an OMT
And you have a 5ah compact battery pack that lasts all day on it. That’s a win for some. Maybe this is the first branch of making long runtime packs vs high output packs. IE optimized for the other use cases.
On a completely different note I will say some of these newer battery packs have me a little concerned with the shear power density in the box. LI like to get hot and burn so now that you pack so much potential into once small space I start to get worried.
dave jones
I asked metabo if they are releasing a 5ah slimline battery, they said they have no plans to do so which is annoying.
Big Richard
I think that is due to the low discharge rate of 5000mAh cells. In a 10 cell pack, its doubled because there are 2 sets of cells. In a 5 cell pack, those cells would only be putting out 270 Watts peak (assuming 15 Amp peak discharge) and 180 Watts continuous (assuming a 10 Amp continuous discharge), and that is not enough to power most cordless tools. The reason they can do slim 3.0Ah/4.0aH 5 cell packs is because those Samsung 30T/40T cells can pump out 35 Amps of juice continuous, that’s 630 Watts.
That’s all based on current cells that I’m aware of. I could be completely wrong and they may be using something entirely different.
JoeM
Forgive my ignorance of the ENTIRE lineups of the competition brands… but… Don’t Milwaukee, Makita, AND Bosch have similar-sized 12Ah Batteries? I mean, I get not wanting to count FlexVOLT or XR Large sized batteries, because they’re significantly larger than all the rest in the 18/20 Volt arena… But I could’ve sworn there were… at LEAST 2-3 other brands with the 12Ah battery going on the Medium size class battery. What MIGHT be called a “2-Row” battery, perhaps, if that’s an ACTUAL designation, and not something Metabo HPT is trying to do as a marketing trick.
It’s great for Metabo to have reached their 10Ah Battery… I don’t think it’s necessary to pull any of the tricks to make that 10Ah Battery any more appealing with a bunch of… forgive me… BS Marketing Hype… Isn’t it enough that Metabo HPT is releasing more power for their tools? We can get down to the gritty details all we want, a watt here, a volt there… But at some point, doesn’t it STILL come down to the TOOLS? If Metabo has a 10Ah Battery, it doesn’t exactly hep Bosch-exclusive users, does it? Milwaukee? Does Metabo HPT have the Pex Expanders, Pipe Threaders, and various Industry-Specific tools that the rest of the Top 4, or 5, companies have in their lineups? If the answer to ANY of this is “No” then I think it’s honestly a waste of time, money, and energy, talking about whether or not it’s a “Good Thing” that Metabo HPT has released a more powerful battery.
Let’s not mince words anymore. Progress for Metabo HPT and their Tool Ecosystem is a Great Thing for Metabo HPT and their Tool Ecosystem. Period. Full Stop. There’s no point in arguing whether other companies compare to them. The ultimate test is whether or not the BATTERIES in question are going to make an improvement to THE SAME TOOL… And if we’re talking a Metabo HPT tool, then Metabo HPT BATTERIES are only in competition with THEMSELVES for power.
I’m the Heaviest person in this room right now. I’m also the ONLY person in this room right now. So what’s the point in discussing it? You guys in this thread all jacked up and muscular? Go to the Gym and look totally RIPPED? Great. Glad you’re healthy, and I hope you have a great day, be safe out there, and give your family a hug from me. This is one of those situations where we should all just be cool with Metabo’s progress, and move on. We should possibly be PISSED that it’s not in North America yet, but that’s as far as the argument goes, isn’t it? Release dates. That’s all.
Oh, and I’m serious about having a great day, being safe out there, and giving your families a hug from me. Times are weird right now, and a little affection and support from our little ToolGuyd Community can go a long way towards helping us all cope with the strangeness we’re in. It’s a sentiment that is separate from the battery talk. Just… trying to be kind to all.
Xrh07
This isn’t marketing BS. This is the first 2P 21700 pack to hit 10 Ah.
All the other 12.0s from Dewalt, Milwaukee and Bosch are massive. ~50% bigger physical size than this one from Metabo. 15 cells vs 10 cells. 3P vs 2P.
Only thing worth questioning is how good is the individual cell in this new pack? And who makes it? I’d almost have to assume Samsung since they’ve been dominating the power tool battery cell market for about 4 years now.
And if this new cell is not putting out at least 25A continuous (50A in 2P config) it’s pretty much pointless.
Big Richard
Touche. It’ll be fine for their lights, radios, USB power supply, fans, maybe some low draw tools (OMT, band file, caulking gun, etc.), but that would be about it.
JoeM
Forgive me, I meant LITERALLY “can’t it just be great for the Metabo battery to be 10 Ah, do we need to qualify that as a bigger deal?”
I’m not going to count DeWALT in size comparissons here. You and I both know the batteries are HUGE. But, what counts is that Metabo HPT (The Parent Company) has released the 10Ah Battery for the Metabo line… Forgive me, again, I’m not a Metabo user, and I fumble the name pretty often, as I’m not accustomed to saying or typing it.
Couldn’t they just be happy with… I don’t know… “We’ve released our first 2P 21700 Pack Battery! The 10Ah!” instead of all this “Smallest” stuff? All that matters is that it runs well on Metabo’s ecosystem. We should be happy they’re progressing, and not stagnating. Shouldn’t we?
Or am I way off here? I know I’m a DeWALT guy, but I’m not a sycophant, trying to put down others.
Rob
This is a Metabo battery and not a Metabo HPT (formerly Hitachi-Koki) battery. Metabo’s cordless tools are pretty horrible though. I would know.
Doug N
Yes, but the Metabo three speed hammer drill and 6” grinder are two of the best 18v tools on the market. Too bad they aren’t better known and distributed.
Big Richard
Their hammer drill is absolutely one of the best, if not the best. The thing just cooks at almost 4000 RPMs, most other drills top out at 2000 RPM.
dave jones
These prices are merely the RRP. You can actually buy the 10ah battery for £150 here: https://www.ffx.co.uk/tools/product/Metabo-18V-Lihd-10.0Ah-Battery-Pack-4061792191112-18V-10.0Ah-Lihd-Battery-Pack
Big Richard
Late update on this, but I did eventually get some more info from Metabo. While they didn’t say what exact cell the pack utilizes, they did say it is a 25A cell, and with their pack technology it can deliver around 1000W. Much better than I was thinking.
This is not as much as their 5.5Ah (~1500W) or 8.0Ah (~1300W), but that was intentional. They were focusing on runtime and ergonomics, for tools like drills, new cordless vacuum, new cordless heat gun, and upcoming “garden tools”. They still recommend the 5.5Ah or 8.0Ah for tools like their table saw and grinders, which is no surprise there.