A reader wrote in with a great question. Where are the cordless brushless jig saws for woodworkers?
He’s right. There have been great advances in cordless circular saws, reciprocating saws, and miter saws. But when’s the last time a new jig saw was announced?
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John wrote:
I have been reading your posts for a long time now and really enjoy them. I will be buying a cordless jigsaw some time in the near future. I have a few Milwaukee M18 tools but do not mind maybe running two battery brand platforms because this will allow me to pick the best from each brand as I expand.
Compared to Bosch’s best corded jigsaw, no brand other than the expensive Festool offers a higher end woodworking grade cordless jigsaw. Are any of the big brands like Bosch, Dewalt or Milwaukee going to finally upgrade to a brushless higher end jigsaw sometime soon? It seems they are upgrading everything but jigsaws nowadays.
Unfortunately, I haven’t heard of any plans for a new higher end cordless or brushless jig saw.
Cordless jig saws are convenient, but I’d think they would be far more popular with contractors and tradesmen than woodworkers.
Then there’s also the fact that most professional tool brands don’t have woodworkers at the tops of their minds when designing and marketing tools.
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Of those that are interested in a cordless jig saw, how many need the features and performance of premium corded jig saws – such as Bosch’s – and how many are willing to spend the money for one?
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While I too would like to see a woodworking-aimed premium cordless jig saw from popular cordless power tools brands, it doesn’t seem likely.
Let me ask you this: How many brands offer both D-handle and barrel-grip models?
Many brands only offer one style of cordless jig saw. And to be frank, what’s out there is pretty capable. No, they’re not quite up to “the best of the best” premium corded jig saws, but not a lot of cordless versions of woodworking power tools are.
Who else wants to see a brushless jig saw, and why? What kind of work would you use it for?
Bremon
Buy a Makita is my advice. I’ve been waiting years for a red or yellow brushless jigsaw and should have just bought the barrel grip Makita ages ago.
Drew M
Where is this cordless barrelgrip?
https://www.makitatools.com/products/tools/cordless#c:jig-saws&f:18v
z2w
I’m seeing a 12V cordless barrelgrip, JS120BN. Maybe that one?
Rami
Makita has both barrel grip and D-handle jigsaws with brushless motors.
Brandon
Maybe it’s the band saws preventing big jigsaw investment. Unless you’re working in a substantial chunk of plywood or doing an inside cut, there’s not much reason to use a jigsaw over a band saw most of the time.
Koko the Talking Ape
Unless you don’t have the space or money for a bandsaw. :/
Joe J
Umm. A jigsaw takes up a hell of a lot less room. Is generally far cheaper unless you got really lucky. And is easier to maintain.
Jeremiah
Those bandsaws won’t make a tight radius cut to save it’s life!!!
Nathan
is that other expensive bosch actually more precise – smoother running? I’d like to see a nice comparison of a few. mostly because I’m in the market for a new one – mine is 30 + years old.
meanwhile – brushless might not be that beneficial in a jig saw – mostly because of the torque demands and the gear box system. I’m on the fence about even thinking cordless. It would be nice if they made a new updated machine – hell I’d sort of like to see a flexvolt model out of dewalt but I really don’t see the benefit either.
Brian
More importantly, where is dewalts cordless 18 gauge Brad nailer?
Graham Howe
I have the DeWalt simply because I’m invested in the 20V Max platform. Pretty much everything I do would be considered woodwork and yet I still very seldom reach for a jigsaw and when I do it is likely to be for a few simple and often rough cuts. For that type of use I don’t find any issue with it being brushed. Cordless can be an advantage for a jigsaw though, even when based in a shop, I find the few times I reach for the jigsaw are to cut something in place on a larger item, the absence of a cord makes it much easier to move around the piece and make the awkward cuts.
John Blair
All things being equal both Brushed and Brushless motors spin around. They both have advantages and disadvantages. The advantages of brushless motors have been told to us repeatedly: better battery life, smaller size, no need to change brushes and possibly more speed. The advantage of brushed motors are they are are drop dead reliable. Not a lot to go wrong in terms of electronics. The down side is eventually you will have to replace the brushes and it will use more battery power.
Depending on how much you use a tool really determines if brushless is better. Hanging drywall (motor running all day, every day) – Brushless. So tools like drill driver, impact, circular saw or reciprocating saw make sense. A tool with less “on time” its not nearly as important. A cordless copper tubing cutter will last all day with a brushed motor and does a fine job.
I think Jig saw is an example where I am not sure if I would redesign the tool as brushless. The brushed units on the market are fully capable. You certainly aren’t going to use one long enough the battery life difference between a brushed and brushless motor is going to make a difference.
MichaelHammer
Well said. I’ve been running my corded jig saw for twenty years on the original brushes. I wonder; do the cordless models have a blower? Probably one of the most important features.
jtr165
a ‘blower’ as in a nozzle to push debris away from your cutting line? If so, Dewalt’s current brushed 20v does, and it’s adjustable as far as air volume…as is the orbital function.
Tim
I think cordless jigsaws are low volume sellers. I havent seen a ton of them being used.
It’s likely they won’t get the BL treatment until well after the high volume sellers are fully upgraded. (several times it seems)
I would not be afraid to run a brushed cordless jigsaw though. The few I’ve used had plenty of power and runtime while lacking premium features.
Matt
Makita makes a BL-motored jigsaw for the UK/Europe market, but don’t know that we’ll see it over here anytime soon, but looks to be a decent option:
That being said, why cordless? I can’t think of a need for a cordless jigsaw for my woodworking. The added weight of the battery hanging in the back is going to counter any enhanced control you’d gain from having a barrel grip and better blade control.
Matt
Sorry…forgot the link: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Makita-DJV181RMJ-Cordless-Brushless-Batteries/dp/B00VRTINZW
fred
Some folks like everything cordless – maybe they have a way of working that supports this. For me – I thought to mix and match – based on what’s most suited to my way of working – now using pneumatic, corded and cordless (no hydraulic power tools since I retired). My go to jig saws are corded Bosch barrel-grip model – but they are not used as much as other saws.
That Makita – does look a bit clunky with its battery hanging down:
ttps://www.amazon.com/Makita-Djv181Z-Cordless-Brushless-Li-Ion/dp/B00M215JBK/ref=sr_1_18?ie=UTF8&qid=1491841941&sr=8-18&keywords=MAKITA+CORDLESS+JIGSAW
Jonathan
I agree with Stuart’s assessment, that they are more aimed at Contractors and trades people, over wood workers. Most woodworker’s work in a fixed shop as opposed to mobile and offsite locations.
I outside of a few trades that might use Jigsaws (corded or otherwise) on a regular basis, I think that many of the cordless tools that I guess outsell 10-20x possibly more core cutting tools. I.e. Circular Saw’s, Sawzall’s even the new cordless miter and table saw offerings. A lot of times theses are rough cuts with low teeth count blades as opposed to the finishing or trim work a jigsaw is more geared too. Not that the others can do precise cuts with high teeth count, I just see the Jigsaw as slow specific clean or curved cuts.
I rarely see jigsaws packaged in combo’s/kits unless the are the $500+ kits with 5-8 tools in a them with impact, drill, circular, sawzall, light and a variety of lesser used or core go-to tools (an not normally the premium version of the tools either).
I think that this is part of the reason that a lot of the cordless Jigsaws sell at a much higher price point is the lower number of sales and a higher manufacturing cost per tool .
Stuart, that might be a question that you could ask with all your industry contacts.
That said I did pick up a DeWalt 20V as one of the my tools with the buy two 5Ah XR 20V batteries , but like my corded Jigsaw I doubt it will see a lot of use.
Yet I wished I had picked a different tool, after investing in Milwaukee 12v Fuel line, and have been incredibly impressed with the 12V Fuel tools, I would have added the 12V Jigsaw to my corral instead of the DeWalt 20V.
Just my .02c.
MichaelHammer
I have it. It’s awful. One of my biggest regrets for tool purchases.
AngryDrumGuy
I have an M12 jigsaw which, while not brushless, is great for small jobs or detail work where cords are not fun to manage. Pretty sure I got the bare tool for under $80.
I’d definitely recommend it!
ca
In addition to a brushless motor, a light on the DeWalt would be welcome. And a blower that actually works.
Paul
I am glad to know that I am not the only one that has that issue with the blower. I was about to take it apart after work to see if there is an issue. If anyone knows how to fix this, please let me know.
I use my jig saw all the time. It is portable and I often make cutouts in plywood that you can’t make with a bandsaw or I would do that.
I light would also be very welcome and I would upgrade on that alone.
Joe
Cordless jigsaws or corded are used almost daily framing houses….curved rafter tails are used everywhere, no one is cutting them on a bandsaw…….deck builders also use them daily to cut around post…..so cordless is very convenient and easier to use ,, I’d love to buy a few cordless brushless jigsaws…
Str-Alorman
In defense of the DeWalt cordless jigsaw (mine is the 18v nicad variant, but it really doesn’t look like they changed it much for the 20V max setup);
Having owned and extensively used a Bosche plug-in saw, I was extremely pleasantly surprised by the DeWalt. With runtime being the clear exception, I found it a serious competitor to the corded saws.
-The ability to feather the speed in the trigger (from glacially slow to full blast) was a great addition.
-Adjustments you’d expect in a Bosche saw (blade bite, angle etc…) were all there
– Blade changes were easier and the unit was phenomenally well balanced.
While I didn’t think the big 1/2 18v XRP impact gun compared favorably to a Snap-On pneumatic one, the jigsaw actually had me saying “wow, that was great!”
Matt
How many cuts are you gonna be making with a jig to necessitate the need for the performance of a brushless motor?
Wouldn’t the tool companies ask this too?
I dont think they see the demand… Well obviously they don’t see the demand especially when there is a variety of corded and cordless jigs on the current market that get the job done without jacking the price up to brushless prices.
Nathan
Only issue – eventually all their other cordless tools will have controller circuits and brushless motors in them – probably to the point where they use 1 of say 3 brushless motor models in the entire tool line up. so it will come out eventually, if just for manufacturing.
Reflector
Brushless or not, the blade guidance system matters more. That’s why you’ll realistically see corded jigsaws dominate as the top end models. This how Mafell and Bosch absorbed some unhappy Carvex owners. Battery operated cordless Carvex? Well you’re going to put dust collection on that… Otherwise a cut where the blade wanders on a brushless jigsaw? Returned or on eBay/Craigslist/etc, unless you really care more for the brushless motor than a good cut.
Ben
Bingo! “Brushless or not, the blade guidance system matters more.”. Most cordless jigsaws on the market sucks big time, and this is the #1 issue with them. I have a Bosch barrel type with the 2 kind of fingers holding the blade on either side. This model has been discontinued and replaced by another version which holds the blades better I think. I wish I had the justification to replace it with the newer model, but as others have said, I don’t use my jigsaw often enough to spend the money.
Despite that fact, I think it’s just a question of time before major manufacturers update their cordless jigsaws for brushless versions.
John
Hate to bring up thr “F” word but Festool only just in the last two years updated their carvex. Pricing aside you have to give it to them for the innovations in those. The synced stone lighting to the blade (can see the blade in real time), battery options, accessories, and comfort. I wouldn’t say at all people aren’t still innovating that market but perhaps people are just not investing in it. The oscillating tools ate a huge chunk of that too market as well in the last couple of years so bear that in mind
John
Strobe lighting not stone. :/
Nathan
could go eitherway.
I could see where more people moved over to OMT’s for work you might have used a jig for. And I know a guy that uses his OMT for cut out – fine work he uses a stand alone scroll saw.
Jonathan
Have to agree, and because of that I wished I had gone with the DeWalt OMT instead of the Dewalt Jigsaw as one of my free tools last Dec Promo on Amazon, but I had just bought a PC OMT 3AMP corded but fully load with depth control, and a ton of accessories and tool less blade change for $79 a Gold box deal. So it was hard to justify the cordless OMT.
I agree I use my OMT far more often than the Jigsaw, even if I’ve got to pull out an extension cord to use it over the 20V Jigsaw. So perhaps I will post it on CL or fleabay , and buy the 12V Fuel for the occasional time I need it.
Matthew Fant
I think there’s a good reason they’re in no hurry. The current one I have (which is the one pictured), is an absolute beast. Works great, runs for a long period of time, without getting overheated. I’ve cut thick decking, thin flooring, and everything in between with this awesome tool.
Chad Brink
I have the one picture also and I agree completely. One of my favorite tools to grab and use in the shop!
Toolpig
As many have mentioned, Makita makes two brushless jigsaws. Both are outstanding. I have been a long time Bosch fan but I no longer use my corded Bosch saws. The Makita BL saws have more power than any corded jigsaw on the Market other than the 900 watt Mafell. They lack some of he whizz bang features of the carvex but they are much less fiddly and are every bit as accurate while still having more power. The bar has been set very high. I would LOVE to see other companies try to beat it! The results could well be spectacular! When you have a Saw with that much capability you use it for thing you may not have thought of before.
Joey
Kobalt 24 volt family just released jig in brushless style few days ago…
Cr8on
https://m.lowes.com/pd/Kobalt-24-Volt-Max-Variable-Speed-Keyless-Cordless-Jigsaw-Bare-Tool/1000214643
Jay
Too bad this saw is not available here in the USA. Looks like a winner.
Chad Brink
I am a woodworked with a fixed shop. A few years ago I sold my Dewalt Corded jig saw and replaced it with a 20v cordless. It was one of the best tool decisions I have made. No more fighting the cord or worrying about running over it as you cut corners and curves. I have also not had any issues with battery life so I do not mind it being brushed. Just a few weeks ago I cut a 54″ diameter table top out of 1-1/2″ thick white oak and it never even dropped the battery down to two bars.
Great tool and great use of cordless technology. I yearn for the day to see cordless routers and sanders as the’re cords are also always in the way.
The yeti
I bought a nice cordless bosch jigsaw . I bought it because I found this site . Took an interest in doing more for myself at home . Find the jigsaw pretty handy . I already had batteries and other bosch tools so it was a cheaper addition to the arsenal
JC
I’ve been griping/asking for a brushless jigsaw with a blower and led for 4 years now. Seems like it would be fairly simple as I’m not asking them to reinvent the wheel just make a couple of tweets. Preferably team red will accomplish this as they have been targeting the woodworking market more and more over the last year or 2.
Hopefully there will be more focus on solid tools than some of the gimmicky stuff tool companies have been producing as of late.
Justin
I had to replace all my dewalt cordless tools back when the dewalt 18 volt lithiums came out with the smaller battery footprint, thanks to someone who borrowed them from my locked van. In order to buy the newer version jigsaw I had to buy it from someone in the UK on ebay. Turns out, they include the jigsaw in their tool kits instead of the reciprocating saw. Example: https://www.powertoolsuk.co.uk/power-tools-dewalt-bosch-milwaukee-evolution-makita/cordless-power-tools-drill-drivers-combi-drills-impact-drivers-angle-grinders-impact-wrenches/cordless-power-tool-kits-18v-power-tool-kits-10-8v-power-tool-kits/dewalt-dck699m3t-power-tool-kits.html
I guess they use the jigsaw a lot more over there. I’m not sure they even offer the reciprocating saw. Maybe they’ll release an updated one over there?
JoeM
I would imagine that many of these problems are related. The Blower and LED being something people obviously have issues with on the Brushed models of Jigsaws… It makes sense that the reason we haven’t seen the Brushless versions is due to the cost jump. By the time you add the more powerful blower, and the LED… is the Brushless motor going to out-perform the Brushed one on runtime, for a saw that cost X amount to develop and bring to market? And, can they then go and sell the new Brushless one without having to double the retail price?
On a DeWALT, for example… The DCS331 is a pretty close to perfect saw to start with. I would imagine touching a flagship model like this one is a bit like a waiter pouring a champagne fountain. It took a lot of their co-workers a lot of time to get it right, and now you’re about to start pouring stuff onto their work for the sake of a very lovely show of elegance… what if your hand twitches?… what if you pour too fast? …What if, just for the sake of argument, your work ruins the work of the flagship DCS331 designers? The Brushless Motor turned out great, but what if all that power saving comes at the cost of an improved Blower, and the complaints about it get worse? Or the power saved by the Brushless Motor all gets used up by the LED, or Laser Line Projector, or new and improved Blower system? What then? For the sake of this scenario, let’s call the new version the DCS333, the Brushless model of the 331. The 331 can be had for as little as $80 tool-only… and with all its specs, is pretty perfect. Now you enter the DCS333 to the market… and it can’t be owned for any less than $120 Tool Only. When you compare run time, what do you get? With all the new features activated, the same as the 331. With the Blower set to medium, or the Laser/LED/Whatever switched off, the ever-promised XR Brushless promise of 33% improvement in runtime… but with all the new features? You’re paying $40 more for gadgets and a brushless motor on a Flagship Jigsaw that, frankly, is quite good the way it is.
It can be MUCH better with these features, I totally agree there. In fact, there’s a cheaper house brand here in Canada called Mastercraft that makes one, or rather it’s made by DeWALT under their name, sold by Canadian Tire. It is, for all intents and purposes, a DCS331 with a Laser Line projector and a Dust Extractor Port. Even has the latch-release blade like the DCS331. It had a Brushed motor, but it was everything being asked of the DCS331, with lighter plastic, and a heavier rubber on the grip. It was only sold for around a Year, because the users who bought it realized the laser and the Blower system drained the battery life by half, no matter the size of battery they put on it. (DeWALT was happy to make Mastercraft a set of Clones of the Lithium Ion batteries as well, slightly different so you couldn’t use DeWALT 20 Volt Max batteries, but unique to Mastercraft tools, with a slightly different slide on lip design.)
So… DeWALT has made a 331 with the improved features and it ate batteries for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. They already have experience making a version of this saw that has the improved features that they know we want, and the features they want to give us. Problem is… it was a total failure, even as a House Branded version. I would imagine whoever is in charge of the Brushless tools at DeWALT worldwide knows about this failure, and are exactly as nervous as the waiter pouring at the top of the fountain about it. Up in Canada, a rebranded 331 was released, and the features killed it. Do they want a DeWALT branded version to do the same? If You were them, wouldn’t you be just as terrified to screw up the Flagship DeWALT Jigsaw that DeWALT users rave about all the time as being awesome, or nearly perfect?
Now… Can these Brushless motors promise enough spare power that they can offer the same 33% runtime increase with the new features running full power? If the answer is NO then that is a very scared design team, and in the metaphor of the waiter and the champagne fountain… someone whose job is on the line to pour on the bubbly at EXACTLY the right rate, or everyone who worked on the fountain could be fired.
Now stop a moment and take out the name DeWALT, and replace it with the Name and Model Numbers of the Milwaukee, Bosch, Makita, or any other brand’s Cordless 20-Volt Lithium-Ion equivalent Jigsaw… They read the trades… They know that DeWALT had the Mastercraft deal, and they know the utter failure DeWALT happened to go through with the Mastercraft version of their DCS331. Do you honestly think the Red, Blue, Green, and Not-Black-And-Yellow brands are any LESS scared of the Waiter pouring Champagne scenario for THEIR Flagship Jigsaws? Milwaukee users probably say exactly the same things about their Jigsaws that us DeWALT owners do, that theirs are perfect, with no regrets. Bosch, Makita, the entire rainbow spectrum of major companies probably have users who say this about their Jigsaws. Perfect, wish X or Y was there, but Perfect.
Who here has the guts to go to any of these companies and say “We know DeWalt failed with that Mastercraft clone fiasco… but where’s the Brushless version of YOUR saw? The one with the LED and the super blower? I own your Perfect Jigsaw, and I’d trade it in in a heartbeat for the Brushless model!”
I certainly don’t have the guts to do that. I’m Canadian… I was around for the frantic recall of the 20 Volt Max Mastercraft Maximum Jigsaw… DeWALT lost HUGE on that issue. If DeWALT can lose that much over one tool that simply had the features, and from that failure learned that the motor has to be AT LEAST 80% more efficient in order to support those added features… Who has the guts to look at the current Brushless motor technology, see between 20 and 50% efficiency increases… and honestly wonder where any of these companies stand on the Brushless Jigsaw?
Not me. Maybe it’s the Canadian in me, but seeing how little the Brushless motors improve the average runtime for any of the power tool brands does not inspire me to wonder where the brushless Jigsaws are. The power tool companies probably have nightmares over the possibility that THEIR brand, not a House Brand, THEIR BRAND, might suffer the loss that the DeWALT clone Mastercraft Maximum did. They could drop the Brushless motor in without the features, and provide ~30% runtime increase… but does that warrant an entirely new model for ANY of these companies? It has to be flashy, and have more than just runtime improvements… but to do that… the Brushless motor has to be a LOT more efficient just to support the other features… and they don’t know if they have one yet.
Which sends me back to the Champagne fountain… My DCS331 is beautiful. How would I feel if I walked up to the DeWALT Brushless “Champagne Fountain” and took a glass from the bottom to wonder why it’s empty? I’d feel terrified, as the rest of the display came crashing down in my face, and all that hard work would be horrifyingly ruined, simply because I didn’t watch the whole display… I just walked up and wondered why one glass wasn’t filling like the rest… I already had a perfectly poured glass from the Brushed fountain, and in my haste for the Brushless version… I caused my own embarrassment, probably many cuts and bruises, and a total mess of the situation, simply because one glass didn’t seem to be served by the whole display yet…
Make no mistake, I think EVERY brand is in this state right now. I’m not just talking DeWALT, I’m talking EVERY MAJOR BRAND is currently terrified of this. Everyone makes positively fantastic BRUSHED Jigsaws right now. Their install base raves and adores them for it. And if any of them has even remotely heard of our country to the North… they know what happened when DeWALT put those awesome features on a Lithium-Ion House Brand Jigsaw… and now they’re just waiting until their engineers can say to them “We’ve made our Brushless Motors 90% more efficient than our Brushed Motors!” so they can go to town giving every last one of us our favourite brand of tools’ version of the DCS333. Brushless, improved runtime with ALL features running, and still capable of a runtime longer than 20 minutes on a 3 or 4 Ah Battery.
I know, I’ve ranted. I’m sorry. It’s just… I was here in Canada when the news came on with a Major Recall of the Mastercraft Maximum Cordless Jigsaw around 3 years ago. Local news stations, national news stations, news feeds… all screaming “Breaking News! Recall on this Canadian Tire Tool!”… I can only think of this news story when people wonder where the Brushless Jigsaws are. And I feel sympathy for all of you who are looking forward to one, I want one, too. But… After that Fiasco with Canadian Tire’s house branded Brushed version with those features? I just know in every cell of my being that the current attitude shared by all the manufacturers is… “I don’t want to be the one that makes a Major-Branded screwup like DeWALT did with the Mastercraft… My Users would hate us for ruining one of the most reliable, and best-selling tools we make. We’re supposed to be (Insert Brand Name), not that crappy Mastercraft.”
taras
On jobsites, a Hackzall with scroll blades has eliminated the need to keep a jigsaw on hand for me.
Cr8on
Agreed, rarely does my jigsaw get used, only once in a great while.
dcb
YES!!!! Why by another non brushed tool? The fuel roll out started great then got distracted with lawn care and lighting.
Albeit, I’ve already warranteed my milwaukee fuel m18 driver twice (on my third tool) so perhaps the durability doesn’t live up to the hype.
But power and bat life sure do.
I’m a remodeler and finish carpenter.
Use all my tools on every job. Using a scroll saw blade in a hacksall is not acceptable. Use the right tool if you want the right jobs.
I’d buy a brushless jig saw in a heart beat. And a pony router. And an orbital sander, and a decent radio, and a table saw and a smaller bat power chop saw, if milwaukee made them…..
alec
I use a Dewalt cordless jigsaw as a carpenter, mostly for cutting notches or socket cut-outs in sheet material. It has a blower and orbital action and TBH I can’t really see a great need for it to be brushless. It works really well and has plenty of power. Sometimes people (including me) drink a bit much corporate cool-aid when it comes to brushless tools, when the brushed models work really well and if you try o e you will realise it really isn’t needed
Mike
Everybody is into this brushless kick, but in reality brushless isn’t really that much better if better I’m sure if they came out with a new brushed motor it would be just as good as a brushless motor, the reason they really came out with brushless is tool sales were lagging and they needed to boost sales that’s the bottom line, and don’t give me more power and runtime,because they could make a better brushed motor that could do the same thing as a brushless motor if they wanted too,you don’t see corded brushless tools do yah
Jim Bob
Hitachi makes quite a few brushless corded tools.
Flotsam
Remembering this thread it is worth pointing out this just came out recently. DeWalt DCS335B https://www.dewalt.com/products/power-tools/saws/jig-saws/20v-max-xr-cordless-barrel-grip-jig-saw/dcs335b (can be ordered on amazon)
Cordless, Brushless, Barrel Grip , I’ve seen it for around $192 already
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/617EdGW8hWL._SL1000_.jpg