Scott wrote in with a good question. He came across an error on a Home Depot product page, where an internal comment note is visible to the public, and wondered whether brands control the product pages on retailers’ websites.
Your Makita inflator post got me thinking about a Ryobi cordless air inflator I had my eye on. I decided to look it up on HD’s website – there’s an odd bullet point- 3rd to last. Do brand control the product pages on HD and other stores?
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The short answer is yes, but also no. Before we get to that, here’s the text of the bullet point that none of us should have actually seen:
I have no idea what that before bullet 13 is supposed to be, but if it can’t be programmed to show the hyperlink correctly, please leave it blank!!
My understanding about how product listings and descriptions come to be is not complete, but I know enough where I don’t see a need to ask any of the retail partners we’re friendly with.
Generally, similar to how we have access to press releases and media resources, retailers have access to fact sheets and imagery of their own. Sometimes these resources are available and publicized before press materials are distributed, which is how we sometimes discover information about new tools before they are officially announced.
Some retailers seem to allow for direct brand listings, where brands have direct access, similar to how 3rd party sellers can create their own marketplace listings. Others draw text and bullet points from sell sheets. Often, information is copy-pasted into templates.
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With a retailer like Home Depot, things are less clear, especially in regard to Ryobi, Ridgid, and other “house brands.”
I have seen copy/paste errors, where information from one listing is copied over into a new listing where features or specifications might be shared. I do that here sometimes too, with things like specification lists, and sometimes a mistake gets through.
As an aside, that’s how I have been alerted to other tool news or review sites copying from ToolGuyd posts – when I find unique specs formatting or minor mistakes (unintentional or otherwise) that were copied into others’ posts.
With Ryobi, I am inclined to believe that there is greater brand involvement, seeing as how their products are exclusive to Home Depot. I’m not aware of the intricacies, but the situation is going to be different than for say a Dewalt cordless drill. Well, it might not be that different, since Home Depot is a mega-retailer that probably receives individualized attention from tool brands.
In general, brands supply everything needed to create and maintain product listings on retailers’ sites. Can they change that information? I don’t think so, at least not in most cases.
Some retailers will create their own listings, with their own photographs and even insights. Generally, smaller and more specialized retailers tend to do this more, but it also depends on the brand.
There is also something called a data feed, and while I don’t know if brands use them to distribute product listing information to retailers, it’s something that many retailers use to send information to affiliates and 3rd party services such as Google’s Shopping engine.
A data feed has all of the basic information about a product, including its price, formatted product descriptions, everything in between, and even primary and additional image links.
But I have never seen or heard about data feeds going to retailers. If such methods existed, retailers’ listings would be relatively synchronized, but they’re not.
From what I have seen, a listing on Amazon is usually “findable” as soon as information is added to their system, while some other retailers allow for delayed publishing dates. Independent retailers and some smaller than big box stores sometimes (but not always) publish listings as soon as they can too, with some being more diligent and earlier than others.
All of that suggests that even if there is control over the information in product listings, many retailers have independent control over their listings themselves.
Something like the error in Home Depot’s listing for the Ryobi inflator can happen in different ways. It’s actually a very good error, because it shows that someone read through and is paying attention to the contents of the description.
Yesterday, I posted about the new Ryobi cordless soldering irons. The listing for the less-featured 40W iron mistakenly says that it has variable temperature control (or maybe not, but we can’t see where this is controlled), and also that an extension cord is sold separately (in two places), despite this not being described as a hybrid-powered model like the pricier 18V Hybrid soldering station that can be powered by battery or AC cord.
That kind of thing does happen, and it happens more with iterative products where an updated version of a tool shares some but not all features and specs with the older one.
Long story short, brands often provide what is displayed on retailers’ product pages. Some retailers or special relationships can allow for direct control over the listings, but outside control seems to be the exception and not the norm.
Retailers – your opinions and insights are of course welcome, in official or anonymous capacity.
Patrick
Whatever mistake drops that thing in price is okay with me. My old 12v Craftsmen is dead and I love the high pressure Ryobi 18v inflator for bike stuff. This high volume Ryobi 18v one has crept up in price.
Greg Newland
Love my P737 handheld. I swapped the chuck out for a ‘SKS EVA Bicycle Pump Head’. Makes inflating my larger volume tires a breeze.
Patrick
I have the Silca disc adapter on mine. Love it.
B-Rad
This is a great idea! Did you just cut off the head that came on it, and the SKS head pushes into the existing hose?
rick
I have tried three of these inflators and two of them failed after very short use. I am not anti-Ryobi as I have many Ryobi cordless tools. I would not recommend the air-inflator. I would recommend https://www.viaircorp.com/. I have three of these units and they have been excellent and reliable. I have a fleet of vehicles and trailers to keep running.
Aaron
I’d be really surprised if many people are cross shopping a battery powered Ryobi with a corded pro level compressor. Ryobi isn’t pretending that this is a tool for fleet maintenance. It is great for bike tires and putting off a tire patch for a couple weeks when I’ve got a slow leak.
As with any tool you have to figure out if the compromises made by the manufacturer are ones you can live with. Constant use in a pro environment is not usually going to be a good long term fit for homeowner grade tools.
Seamus
Well, HD doesn’t have a great history of hiring the best in their IT department
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Cooper_Harris?wprov=sfti1
Bo
Having worked for the other big national retailer (not HD, but the other one), I can tell you how they did it. Generally speaking, the vendor sends over a nightly file with all this marketing info already in it and the website just populates based on what is in that file/feed. The merchants may approve it before it goes live the first time, but even then it is hit or miss to catch something like a broken link or a small mistake. With that retailer, even internal brands had specific product teams working as a vendor-the relationship was the same whether it was Black and Decker or Allen Roth.
Brian
Great catch! I work in e-commerce software development. This is just a note from a Business Analyst or Product Owner that unfortunately ended up being copied and pasted into their CMS (content management system). In my experience, Product Owners will work with in-house marketing and legal as well as their supplier’s marketing team (in this case, Ryobi) to ensure product descriptions and details are satisfactory.
Stephen
I’ve had this Ryobi inflator for a couple years and it has served me well. I use it mostly to top off tires with seasonal temperature changes. The execution of the auto shut-off feature leaves a little to be desired, though.
Let’s say you’ve set the inflation pressure to 32psi. The pump will continue to inflate beyond that point and stop at something like 33.5psi. Once it stops and line pressure equalizes, the indicated pressure always drops by 2.0psi. Now you’re at 31.5psi. “OK, so then set the pressure to 32.5psi!” Well, you can’t adjust the set point in 0.5psi increments, even though the display measures to 0.5psi.
It’s great for pumping up flat car tires – set it and walk away for a few minutes. Just not as precise as it could be.
Toolfreak
Everything on a retail website is pretty much controlled by the retailer, via their internal/outsourced operatons, but not by the product manufacturers, marketers, advertisers, etc.
It’s easy enough to understand why if you think about what could happen if a disgruntled employee or someone making a joke posted some highly illegal material on that retail website. It’d be the owner of the website that’d be potentially liable, not just the person that posted the material.
As mentioned though, it seems the retailers just post whatever product descriptions they are provided with. There’s been plenty of times I’ve bought something online and the specifics in the description were incorrect and I was pretty disappointed with the purchase.
I’m fairly amazed in this age of online retail that more big online businesses don’t have one person or an entire team of people dedicated to checking the product listings, for both accuracy or errors in spelling, images, functionality, etc.
Heck, lots of them don’t even make it easy on the customer to report a mistake for free so they can correct it.